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		<title>By: stuartward</title>
		<link>http://shotofjaq.org/2009/12/drone-or-phone/comment-page-1/#comment-2604</link>
		<dc:creator>stuartward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 14:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;http://www.3g.co.uk/PR/March2010/Google-Nexus-One-Outsells-iPhone-3G.html
http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/stats-iphone-os-is-still-king-of-the-mobile-web-space-but-andr/
So Android is the iPhone killer.&lt;/p&gt;
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<a href="http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/stats-iphone-os-is-still-king-of-the-mobile-web-space-but-andr/" rel="nofollow">http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/stats-iphone-os-is-still-king-of-the-mobile-web-space-but-andr/</a>
So Android is the iPhone killer.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: sil</title>
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		<dc:creator>sil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 15:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Go ahead. :)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Go ahead. <img src='http://shotofjaq.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 15:31:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Do you think I should buy apple shares now, or is it too late?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: .james</title>
		<link>http://shotofjaq.org/2009/12/drone-or-phone/comment-page-1/#comment-1142</link>
		<dc:creator>.james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 19:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You think it&#039;s a good idea to let people edit their own apt.sources list on a mobile phone? I can still sometimes manage library hell, especially when dist-upgrading. Seems like allowing any old third party sources in wouldn&#039;t be great.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Having an officially blessed set of repos is a great thing. I guess static compiling would help out, too.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You think it&#8217;s a good idea to let people edit their own apt.sources list on a mobile phone? I can still sometimes manage library hell, especially when dist-upgrading. Seems like allowing any old third party sources in wouldn&#8217;t be great.</p>

<p>Having an officially blessed set of repos is a great thing. I guess static compiling would help out, too.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: vitriolix</title>
		<link>http://shotofjaq.org/2009/12/drone-or-phone/comment-page-1/#comment-922</link>
		<dc:creator>vitriolix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 03:56:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Actually, Android has no such terms.  There are currently at least 3 alternative markets thriving on the platform now (AndAppStore, SlideME, Archos...).  You are right though that Google doesn&#039;t let you list competing market apps in their own market app, but that should be hardly surprising.  I&#039;d rather they didn&#039;t play those games though, personally.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, Android has no such terms.  There are currently at least 3 alternative markets thriving on the platform now (AndAppStore, SlideME, Archos&#8230;).  You are right though that Google doesn&#8217;t let you list competing market apps in their own market app, but that should be hardly surprising.  I&#8217;d rather they didn&#8217;t play those games though, personally.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Steve Pearce</title>
		<link>http://shotofjaq.org/2009/12/drone-or-phone/comment-page-1/#comment-888</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Pearce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 16:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
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    &lt;p&gt;I would love to get an Android phone but its the price tag that puts me off.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;I will soon be picking up a T-Mobile Pulse PAYG handset for £137 from their online store. I consider that to be a very low barrier entry.&lt;/p&gt;
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    <p>I would love to get an Android phone but its the price tag that puts me off.</p>
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<p>I will soon be picking up a T-Mobile Pulse PAYG handset for £137 from their online store. I consider that to be a very low barrier entry.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: tmb_ayebe</title>
		<link>http://shotofjaq.org/2009/12/drone-or-phone/comment-page-1/#comment-859</link>
		<dc:creator>tmb_ayebe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 09:16:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Maybe this is a good place to ask.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I have an android phone (Samsung galaxy I5700). I&#039;m using google listen as my podcatcher but I can&#039;t make it subscribe to your rss feed. I keeps saying &quot;Feed could not be fetched&quot; I have tried both 
http://feeds.feedburner.com/ShotOfJaq
http://feeds.feedburner.com/ShotOfJaqOgg
No luck.
Any tips?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;On the subject of iPhone envy. I certainly don&#039;t have it. My girlfriend has had an iPhone for over a year now she has nothing but trouble with it. She&#039;s actually on her fourth physical iPhone, One got lost, one smashed, one the speaker stopped working. She has had to jump through all kinds of hoops to get these problems resolved and in so doing repeatedly lost all her iTunes music, photos and apps.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;One of the phones went wrong in a most amusing way. It just incessantly played music at full volume. There was no way to stop it and because Steve Jobs knows better than you, we couldn&#039;t even take the battery out. We buried it in a washing basket and put that under the stairs until the battery ran out.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The phone she has now keeps &#039;white screening&#039; and no app that wasn&#039;t pre-installed will run on it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Now you might be thinking that my girlfriend is hard on phones. Maybe she is, but she had a Motorola Krazor before that and never had any problems.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;With the contract and all, I calculate that the iPhone is costing well over €2,000. Meanwhile my android phone cost €300 (plus about €5 per month for pay as you go credit) and I have already had masses of fun with it. I have also started learning Android development safe in the knowledge that I can publish my program on my website if it is not deemed suitable for the android marketplace.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;To say I&#039;m happy with it is an understatement :)&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>I have an android phone (Samsung galaxy I5700). I&#8217;m using google listen as my podcatcher but I can&#8217;t make it subscribe to your rss feed. I keeps saying &#8220;Feed could not be fetched&#8221; I have tried both 
<a href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/ShotOfJaq" rel="nofollow">http://feeds.feedburner.com/ShotOfJaq</a>
<a href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/ShotOfJaqOgg" rel="nofollow">http://feeds.feedburner.com/ShotOfJaqOgg</a>
No luck.
Any tips?</p>

<p>On the subject of iPhone envy. I certainly don&#8217;t have it. My girlfriend has had an iPhone for over a year now she has nothing but trouble with it. She&#8217;s actually on her fourth physical iPhone, One got lost, one smashed, one the speaker stopped working. She has had to jump through all kinds of hoops to get these problems resolved and in so doing repeatedly lost all her iTunes music, photos and apps.</p>

<p>One of the phones went wrong in a most amusing way. It just incessantly played music at full volume. There was no way to stop it and because Steve Jobs knows better than you, we couldn&#8217;t even take the battery out. We buried it in a washing basket and put that under the stairs until the battery ran out.</p>

<p>The phone she has now keeps &#8216;white screening&#8217; and no app that wasn&#8217;t pre-installed will run on it.</p>

<p>Now you might be thinking that my girlfriend is hard on phones. Maybe she is, but she had a Motorola Krazor before that and never had any problems.</p>

<p>With the contract and all, I calculate that the iPhone is costing well over €2,000. Meanwhile my android phone cost €300 (plus about €5 per month for pay as you go credit) and I have already had masses of fun with it. I have also started learning Android development safe in the knowledge that I can publish my program on my website if it is not deemed suitable for the android marketplace.</p>

<p>To say I&#8217;m happy with it is an understatement <img src='http://shotofjaq.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Tony Whitmore</title>
		<link>http://shotofjaq.org/2009/12/drone-or-phone/comment-page-1/#comment-856</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Whitmore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Dec 2009 19:16:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think you over-estimate the importance of Linux desktop interoperability to phone vendors. They still really really only care about the platform in terms of the features it can provide them and what it will cost them.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I would love to be able to sync my mobile phone with my desktop, but I think the only way that is likely to happen any time soon is to store everything on Google apps and use that platform on both my phone and the desktop.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you over-estimate the importance of Linux desktop interoperability to phone vendors. They still really really only care about the platform in terms of the features it can provide them and what it will cost them.</p>

<p>I would love to be able to sync my mobile phone with my desktop, but I think the only way that is likely to happen any time soon is to store everything on Google apps and use that platform on both my phone and the desktop.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: NickA</title>
		<link>http://shotofjaq.org/2009/12/drone-or-phone/comment-page-1/#comment-836</link>
		<dc:creator>NickA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Dec 2009 11:37:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I have got to agree with the n900/maemo users on here.  Just picked mine up a few days ago and I am loving it so far.  Not gonna lie, it is fairly buggy right now (random reboots etc.) but the fact that it is based on debian makes a huge difference to me.  I can install .deb s on the thing for fucks sakes, who could not love that?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You can be almost completely involved in the process, fixing bugs, etc.  Users are the people who decide which programs go through in the repositories (which is great and will be better once there are more users).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;For those looking for an n900 without a keyboard, it is already confirmed to be coming out next year without a keyboard and with a capacitive (aka multi-touch) screen.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have got to agree with the n900/maemo users on here.  Just picked mine up a few days ago and I am loving it so far.  Not gonna lie, it is fairly buggy right now (random reboots etc.) but the fact that it is based on debian makes a huge difference to me.  I can install .deb s on the thing for fucks sakes, who could not love that?</p>

<p>You can be almost completely involved in the process, fixing bugs, etc.  Users are the people who decide which programs go through in the repositories (which is great and will be better once there are more users).</p>

<p>For those looking for an n900 without a keyboard, it is already confirmed to be coming out next year without a keyboard and with a capacitive (aka multi-touch) screen.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: zaheerm</title>
		<link>http://shotofjaq.org/2009/12/drone-or-phone/comment-page-1/#comment-834</link>
		<dc:creator>zaheerm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 19:17:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Except mobile phones these days are not mobile phones. They are meant to do so much more. In fact voice calling is probably &lt; 10% of what I use my phone for.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Except mobile phones these days are not mobile phones. They are meant to do so much more. In fact voice calling is probably &lt; 10% of what I use my phone for.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: zaheerm</title>
		<link>http://shotofjaq.org/2009/12/drone-or-phone/comment-page-1/#comment-833</link>
		<dc:creator>zaheerm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 19:15:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I guess you&#039;ll have to wait a while for a thinner keyboard-less phone that can run couchdb and ubuntu one natively.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: zaheerm</title>
		<link>http://shotofjaq.org/2009/12/drone-or-phone/comment-page-1/#comment-832</link>
		<dc:creator>zaheerm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 19:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Try and put those apps available for normal users to use. You can&#039;t because you can only write properly distributable apps in Java.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Try and put those apps available for normal users to use. You can&#8217;t because you can only write properly distributable apps in Java.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: hyc</title>
		<link>http://shotofjaq.org/2009/12/drone-or-phone/comment-page-1/#comment-827</link>
		<dc:creator>hyc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 06:52:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Nonsense. I&#039;m glad the SDK is 32 bit, because I just recently tar&#039;d up my entire dev image from my x64 laptop to another machine and I didn&#039;t have to recompile anything to get back to work.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;There&#039;s absolutely nothing to be gained in functionality by providing 64 bit binaries here, only more management headaches.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nonsense. I&#8217;m glad the SDK is 32 bit, because I just recently tar&#8217;d up my entire dev image from my x64 laptop to another machine and I didn&#8217;t have to recompile anything to get back to work.</p>

<p>There&#8217;s absolutely nothing to be gained in functionality by providing 64 bit binaries here, only more management headaches.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: hyc</title>
		<link>http://shotofjaq.org/2009/12/drone-or-phone/comment-page-1/#comment-826</link>
		<dc:creator>hyc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 06:50:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The physical keyboard is one of the reasons I like the G1 (and therefore have no interest in the G2/Hero). I also think the OMAP3530 is a great little chip and am looking forward to getting hold of an N900.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Of course, I&#039;ve rooted my G1. I have OpenLDAP 2.4.19 running on it. My local slapd syncs to my home server so I have all my addressbook contacts and such. I dunno what you&#039;re talking about, re: no Linux apps ported to it. Porting is pretty much a no-brainer - configure / make / make install / adb push... Really it&#039;s such a non-event that there&#039;s nothing to talk about, which seems to me to be the reason you don&#039;t see more being talked about.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You can use libSDL and port some of your graphics apps over already. I think all that&#039;s missing is open access to the Radio Interface Library, which prevents me from jettisoning all the Android crap and just running everything natively from a regular /etc/init.d...&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The physical keyboard is one of the reasons I like the G1 (and therefore have no interest in the G2/Hero). I also think the OMAP3530 is a great little chip and am looking forward to getting hold of an N900.</p>

<p>Of course, I&#8217;ve rooted my G1. I have OpenLDAP 2.4.19 running on it. My local slapd syncs to my home server so I have all my addressbook contacts and such. I dunno what you&#8217;re talking about, re: no Linux apps ported to it. Porting is pretty much a no-brainer &#8211; configure / make / make install / adb push&#8230; Really it&#8217;s such a non-event that there&#8217;s nothing to talk about, which seems to me to be the reason you don&#8217;t see more being talked about.</p>

<p>You can use libSDL and port some of your graphics apps over already. I think all that&#8217;s missing is open access to the Radio Interface Library, which prevents me from jettisoning all the Android crap and just running everything natively from a regular /etc/init.d&#8230;</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: hyc</title>
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		<dc:creator>hyc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 06:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Any use of heavy interpreted languages on mobile systems with strictly constrained power resources is utterly misguided, IMO. I just ported rtmpdump to my G1, after rewriting it in plain C from its original C++, and that cut down the memory footprint by 1/3 and cut down the CPU use by 1/2. People already think C++ is an efficient language; most of them Don&#039;t Know Jack about software efficiency. Running apps inside dedicated VMs on a &lt;em&gt;phone&lt;/em&gt; is pure lunacy, it&#039;s the kind of idiocy you&#039;d only expect from people who don&#039;t understand Unix.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The G1 hardware has probably more CPU power than my old Win98 mobile Pentium laptop, and a pretty decent GPU as well, but it runs incredibly sluggishly when you try to move from one Android app to another. There&#039;s no reason for it to perform this poorly, and there&#039;s no excuse for it. Me, I no longer use any of the Android apps besides ConnectBot. Everything else I do in a screen session on one of my other servers - finch for IM, mutt for email, etc. etc. - saves memory, saves CPU, saves battery life. The only Android app I use regularly now is Solitaire.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Ultimately I&#039;d like to port the old Bellcore MGR to the G1 and eliminate the rest of the cruft. I don&#039;t need eye-candy on a phone ferchrissake, and the rest of the stuff is just too expensive resource-wise. We can do better than this, and we should.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any use of heavy interpreted languages on mobile systems with strictly constrained power resources is utterly misguided, IMO. I just ported rtmpdump to my G1, after rewriting it in plain C from its original C++, and that cut down the memory footprint by 1/3 and cut down the CPU use by 1/2. People already think C++ is an efficient language; most of them Don&#8217;t Know Jack about software efficiency. Running apps inside dedicated VMs on a <em>phone</em> is pure lunacy, it&#8217;s the kind of idiocy you&#8217;d only expect from people who don&#8217;t understand Unix.</p>

<p>The G1 hardware has probably more CPU power than my old Win98 mobile Pentium laptop, and a pretty decent GPU as well, but it runs incredibly sluggishly when you try to move from one Android app to another. There&#8217;s no reason for it to perform this poorly, and there&#8217;s no excuse for it. Me, I no longer use any of the Android apps besides ConnectBot. Everything else I do in a screen session on one of my other servers &#8211; finch for IM, mutt for email, etc. etc. &#8211; saves memory, saves CPU, saves battery life. The only Android app I use regularly now is Solitaire.</p>

<p>Ultimately I&#8217;d like to port the old Bellcore MGR to the G1 and eliminate the rest of the cruft. I don&#8217;t need eye-candy on a phone ferchrissake, and the rest of the stuff is just too expensive resource-wise. We can do better than this, and we should.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: freelock</title>
		<link>http://shotofjaq.org/2009/12/drone-or-phone/comment-page-1/#comment-822</link>
		<dc:creator>freelock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 00:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Add one more in favor of Maemo/N900. I think it&#039;s a great antidote for the closed iPhone, and the more I use mine, the more I find to like about it. Some of my biggest gripes (http://freelock.com/blog/john-locke/3/nokia-n900-first-impressions ) are already a thing of the past--I&#039;ve found a better podcast player (Panucci), a couple modes in the browser to handle drop-downs and drag-and-drop, and battery life has been mostly fine.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But I&#039;m far more likely to actually develop applications/tweak/port things in Python than to bother with a tightly-controlled Java environment or learning Objective C.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And what&#039;s worse about the others - Android, Palm, iPhone, is the sense that it&#039;s not really your phone, it&#039;s still controlled by the platform. With Maemo, it&#039;s much more mine--not sending all kinds of stuff back to the mother ship, far less restrictive on what can be installed.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Why so dismissive of Maemo?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Add one more in favor of Maemo/N900. I think it&#8217;s a great antidote for the closed iPhone, and the more I use mine, the more I find to like about it. Some of my biggest gripes (<a href="http://freelock.com/blog/john-locke/3/nokia-n900-first-impressions" rel="nofollow">http://freelock.com/blog/john-locke/3/nokia-n900-first-impressions</a> ) are already a thing of the past&#8211;I&#8217;ve found a better podcast player (Panucci), a couple modes in the browser to handle drop-downs and drag-and-drop, and battery life has been mostly fine.</p>

<p>But I&#8217;m far more likely to actually develop applications/tweak/port things in Python than to bother with a tightly-controlled Java environment or learning Objective C.</p>

<p>And what&#8217;s worse about the others &#8211; Android, Palm, iPhone, is the sense that it&#8217;s not really your phone, it&#8217;s still controlled by the platform. With Maemo, it&#8217;s much more mine&#8211;not sending all kinds of stuff back to the mother ship, far less restrictive on what can be installed.</p>

<p>Why so dismissive of Maemo?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Derek</title>
		<link>http://shotofjaq.org/2009/12/drone-or-phone/comment-page-1/#comment-821</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 22:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I don&#039;t know what&#039;s it&#039;s like in the UK but I suspect in Australia when Joe Blow walks into a phone shop to get a new phone, all they want is the iPhone because it&#039;s got so much mindshare - certainly in Australia. Blackberry users are just wanting MS Office integration and don&#039;t count. :o)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Android has yet to make much of an impact here. The G1 is out and I think that&#039;s it. I&#039;m not sure I&#039;ve even seen a Hero here, let alone a Droid. But we&#039;re just a backwater in many respects, unfortunately.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know what&#8217;s it&#8217;s like in the UK but I suspect in Australia when Joe Blow walks into a phone shop to get a new phone, all they want is the iPhone because it&#8217;s got so much mindshare &#8211; certainly in Australia. Blackberry users are just wanting MS Office integration and don&#8217;t count. <img src='http://shotofjaq.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_surprised.gif' alt=':o' class='wp-smiley' /> )</p>

<p>Android has yet to make much of an impact here. The G1 is out and I think that&#8217;s it. I&#8217;m not sure I&#8217;ve even seen a Hero here, let alone a Droid. But we&#8217;re just a backwater in many respects, unfortunately.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Derek</title>
		<link>http://shotofjaq.org/2009/12/drone-or-phone/comment-page-1/#comment-820</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 22:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;To be fair, the python thing is really a resource issue rather than &#039;Java is the one true way&#039;. Dynamic languages require a lot more processing full stop, and any non-Java languages on Android will likely require some sort of libraries which take up space. I don&#039;t have the link but I know a few people have got Scala working on Android (but that&#039;s statically typed).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Frankly I think you could put any JavaVM language on Android (with effort) in the same way that you can write Google App Engine apps in lots of JavaVM languages.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I think performance is where the real hit would be and you&#039;d really notice it on a phone. I&#039;ve noticed that my 2004 laptop is struggling with the latest ubuntu releases these days and I wonder sometimes whether the prevalence of python in the desktop is the issue. I&#039;ll make it quite clear here that I haven&#039;t looked and really have no idea, so I&#039;m certainly not qualified to point fingers. (Between you and me, I think it&#039;s Flash more than anything.)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be fair, the python thing is really a resource issue rather than &#8216;Java is the one true way&#8217;. Dynamic languages require a lot more processing full stop, and any non-Java languages on Android will likely require some sort of libraries which take up space. I don&#8217;t have the link but I know a few people have got Scala working on Android (but that&#8217;s statically typed).</p>

<p>Frankly I think you could put any JavaVM language on Android (with effort) in the same way that you can write Google App Engine apps in lots of JavaVM languages.</p>

<p>I think performance is where the real hit would be and you&#8217;d really notice it on a phone. I&#8217;ve noticed that my 2004 laptop is struggling with the latest ubuntu releases these days and I wonder sometimes whether the prevalence of python in the desktop is the issue. I&#8217;ll make it quite clear here that I haven&#8217;t looked and really have no idea, so I&#8217;m certainly not qualified to point fingers. (Between you and me, I think it&#8217;s Flash more than anything.)</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: sil</title>
		<link>http://shotofjaq.org/2009/12/drone-or-phone/comment-page-1/#comment-819</link>
		<dc:creator>sil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 22:19:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ah, now, you see, that&#039;s interesting. Because, obviously, what I want is to have a proper native Ubuntu One environment on my phone, and having Couch there thanks to Thomas&#039;s work would be excellent. But...I&#039;m aware that most people won&#039;t have anything that fantastically native, and saying &quot;ahaha, it works for &lt;em&gt;me&lt;/em&gt;, suckers&quot; is not really the done thing when you&#039;re Bloke In Charge Of Making It Happen For Everyone :)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;We shall agree to differ on the keyboard thing!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If I could score a free N900 that was thinner and didn&#039;t have the keyboard that&#039;d be great, mind. :)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, now, you see, that&#8217;s interesting. Because, obviously, what I want is to have a proper native Ubuntu One environment on my phone, and having Couch there thanks to Thomas&#8217;s work would be excellent. But&#8230;I&#8217;m aware that most people won&#8217;t have anything that fantastically native, and saying &#8220;ahaha, it works for <em>me</em>, suckers&#8221; is not really the done thing when you&#8217;re Bloke In Charge Of Making It Happen For Everyone <img src='http://shotofjaq.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>

<p>We shall agree to differ on the keyboard thing!</p>

<p>If I could score a free N900 that was thinner and didn&#8217;t have the keyboard that&#8217;d be great, mind. <img src='http://shotofjaq.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: zaheerm</title>
		<link>http://shotofjaq.org/2009/12/drone-or-phone/comment-page-1/#comment-818</link>
		<dc:creator>zaheerm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 21:40:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;How about couchdb running on your phone? :) I know that got you salivating when Thomas told you he had it running and actually doing useful stuff and I believe he is not far from having it sync with ubuntu one.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Also since I got an E71 last year, I don&#039;t think I could survive without a hardware keyboard.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about couchdb running on your phone? <img src='http://shotofjaq.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I know that got you salivating when Thomas told you he had it running and actually doing useful stuff and I believe he is not far from having it sync with ubuntu one.</p>

<p>Also since I got an E71 last year, I don&#8217;t think I could survive without a hardware keyboard.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://shotofjaq.org/2009/12/drone-or-phone/comment-page-1/#comment-817</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 21:00:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;d look towards Qt to be the new hotness from the Nokia front. It&#039;s going to be across all their devices, and they&#039;ve more or less committed now to phasing out series 40, so they&#039;re headed for a smartphones all the way down strategy. I think they&#039;re the one to watch in the smartphone market.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://shotofjaq.org/2009/12/drone-or-phone/comment-page-1/#comment-816</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 20:54:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Lots of countries operators ain&#039;t so loving. The yanks get ripped off something royal on contracts, if they want a phone free they often have sign their lives away for 3 years (!) to get it. I bitch at Voda for making me sign for 18 months. Used to be a year back in the day.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lots of countries operators ain&#8217;t so loving. The yanks get ripped off something royal on contracts, if they want a phone free they often have sign their lives away for 3 years (!) to get it. I bitch at Voda for making me sign for 18 months. Used to be a year back in the day.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://shotofjaq.org/2009/12/drone-or-phone/comment-page-1/#comment-814</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 20:43:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It&#039;s swings and roundabouts, to some extent. In the show you were bitching about the only programming environment being Java, well that&#039;s how Android has solved the security problem. If they don&#039;t expose a component to the Dalvik VM, installable apps can&#039;t use it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Symbian have solved the problem with a comprehensive native security model, which means you can have the things you want like being able to hack apps in Python if you so desire (or .NET, or C, or C++ with or without QT or Glib.) but the downside is you have to go through the signing program if you want to distribute.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Of course, the iPhone has the worst of both worlds. Much worse auditing, and absolutely no choice in development tools by fiat.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>Symbian have solved the problem with a comprehensive native security model, which means you can have the things you want like being able to hack apps in Python if you so desire (or .NET, or C, or C++ with or without QT or Glib.) but the downside is you have to go through the signing program if you want to distribute.</p>

<p>Of course, the iPhone has the worst of both worlds. Much worse auditing, and absolutely no choice in development tools by fiat.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://shotofjaq.org/2009/12/drone-or-phone/comment-page-1/#comment-813</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 20:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Horses for courses, I suppose. Personally, I couldn&#039;t stand a phone that &lt;em&gt;didn&#039;t&lt;/em&gt; have a hardware keyboard.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://shotofjaq.org/2009/12/drone-or-phone/comment-page-1/#comment-812</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 20:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well, there is somewhat more of Android open sourced than just the kernel. The computing environment, in the form of Dalvik VM is also, plus the shell and some other bits and bobs. Contrast the iPhone which you can&#039;t even say the kernel is open sourced. Even the desktop Mac OS X kernel isn&#039;t open any more. The iPhone is a totally closed system.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, there is somewhat more of Android open sourced than just the kernel. The computing environment, in the form of Dalvik VM is also, plus the shell and some other bits and bobs. Contrast the iPhone which you can&#8217;t even say the kernel is open sourced. Even the desktop Mac OS X kernel isn&#8217;t open any more. The iPhone is a totally closed system.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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