Comments on: Quickly Unchaining The Itch Scratcher http://shotofjaq.org/2009/12/quickly-unchaining-the-itch-scratcher/ Ten minutes of short, sharp, informed, and funny comment about the open source world Tue, 14 Sep 2010 21:58:10 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Connecting The Opportunistic Dots | jonobacon@home http://shotofjaq.org/2009/12/quickly-unchaining-the-itch-scratcher/comment-page-1/#comment-1781 Connecting The Opportunistic Dots | jonobacon@home Sat, 30 Jan 2010 11:10:22 +0000 http://shotofjaq.org/?p=207#comment-1781 <p>[...] I have talked about extensively recently has been my passion to see opportunistic developers served well on the Linux desktop. [...]</p> [...] I have talked about extensively recently has been my passion to see opportunistic developers served well on the Linux desktop. [...]

]]> By: .james http://shotofjaq.org/2009/12/quickly-unchaining-the-itch-scratcher/comment-page-1/#comment-1137 .james Sun, 10 Jan 2010 05:46:16 +0000 http://shotofjaq.org/?p=207#comment-1137 <p>I should clarify, though, that I'm not complaining in the sense of not being prepared to try and nonetheless write a template or two for myself and share back. Instead, I'm just noticing.</p> <p>Hats off to the folks who put this together: I'm enjoying learning how to use it.</p> I should clarify, though, that I’m not complaining in the sense of not being prepared to try and nonetheless write a template or two for myself and share back. Instead, I’m just noticing.

Hats off to the folks who put this together: I’m enjoying learning how to use it.

]]> By: .james http://shotofjaq.org/2009/12/quickly-unchaining-the-itch-scratcher/comment-page-1/#comment-1133 .james Sun, 10 Jan 2010 01:08:03 +0000 http://shotofjaq.org/?p=207#comment-1133 <p>If you've not used Ruby on Rails or some similar piece of very opinionated software, I can see why you'd come away with this impression. But an IDE is not the same as one of these highly specialised towards one purpose frameworks.</p> <p>What does get me, though, is how much goes into making a template. A quick ls in the /usr/share/quickly/ folder reveals a fair number of files to create.</p> <p>james@metatron:/usr/share/quickly/templates/ubuntu-project$ ls | grep -v pyc available_licenses bin change-lp-project.py commandsconfig create.py data dialog.py edit.py glade.py help internal license.py package.py project_root python release.py run.py save.py share.py tutorial.py</p> If you’ve not used Ruby on Rails or some similar piece of very opinionated software, I can see why you’d come away with this impression. But an IDE is not the same as one of these highly specialised towards one purpose frameworks.

What does get me, though, is how much goes into making a template. A quick ls in the /usr/share/quickly/ folder reveals a fair number of files to create.

james@metatron:/usr/share/quickly/templates/ubuntu-project$ ls | grep -v pyc available_licenses bin change-lp-project.py commandsconfig create.py data dialog.py edit.py glade.py help internal license.py package.py project_root python release.py run.py save.py share.py tutorial.py

]]> By: aalmiray http://shotofjaq.org/2009/12/quickly-unchaining-the-itch-scratcher/comment-page-1/#comment-958 aalmiray Sat, 02 Jan 2010 06:49:51 +0000 http://shotofjaq.org/?p=207#comment-958 <p>Derek: what if it worked the other way around. A Griffon app that is able to interface with Gtk, even load glade files, applying the same conventions as any other Griffon application?</p> <p>http://twitter.com/aalmiray/statuses/7258600844 ;-)</p> Derek: what if it worked the other way around. A Griffon app that is able to interface with Gtk, even load glade files, applying the same conventions as any other Griffon application?

http://twitter.com/aalmiray/statuses/7258600844 ;-)

]]> By: Oded http://shotofjaq.org/2009/12/quickly-unchaining-the-itch-scratcher/comment-page-1/#comment-785 Oded Wed, 23 Dec 2009 09:42:52 +0000 http://shotofjaq.org/?p=207#comment-785 <p>I don't buy this quickly thing - the first annoyance I had was that the website you link to (on Ubuntu Wiki) sells Quickly high but does not mention that its only good if you intend to develop in Python for GNOME on Ubuntu - if you want anything else, and you didn't listen to Shot of Jaq, you might have downloaded and wasted a couple of hours playing with it before you figured out it is worthless for you.</p> <p>The second thing is this - this is supposed to let you easily create, manage and develop applications. It sounds like something I heard about before... hmm.. yes - its called an Integrated Development Environment, or IDE for short, and its been around for better then 20 years now! So Quickly is an IDE stripped of everything except the "new project wizard" - how is that a good idea?</p> <p>I suggest to drop this and concentrate on IDEs - they do provide a lot more features, such as a good programming editor, inline debugging, project management and easy source control integration. If you feel that the project wizards shipped with your favourite IDE are insufficient, why not improve there instead of going on a tangent and developing something wholly incompatible?</p> I don’t buy this quickly thing – the first annoyance I had was that the website you link to (on Ubuntu Wiki) sells Quickly high but does not mention that its only good if you intend to develop in Python for GNOME on Ubuntu – if you want anything else, and you didn’t listen to Shot of Jaq, you might have downloaded and wasted a couple of hours playing with it before you figured out it is worthless for you.

The second thing is this – this is supposed to let you easily create, manage and develop applications. It sounds like something I heard about before… hmm.. yes – its called an Integrated Development Environment, or IDE for short, and its been around for better then 20 years now! So Quickly is an IDE stripped of everything except the “new project wizard” – how is that a good idea?

I suggest to drop this and concentrate on IDEs – they do provide a lot more features, such as a good programming editor, inline debugging, project management and easy source control integration. If you feel that the project wizards shipped with your favourite IDE are insufficient, why not improve there instead of going on a tangent and developing something wholly incompatible?

]]> By: didrocks http://shotofjaq.org/2009/12/quickly-unchaining-the-itch-scratcher/comment-page-1/#comment-722 didrocks Sat, 19 Dec 2009 11:52:54 +0000 http://shotofjaq.org/?p=207#comment-722 <p>No, those things aren't available in launchpadlib and I'll work in it to make them available with LP guys.</p> <p>We will only prevent people from creating LP project from Quickly ubuntu-project template (imagine, hundreds "foo" projects around ;)!)</p> No, those things aren’t available in launchpadlib and I’ll work in it to make them available with LP guys.

We will only prevent people from creating LP project from Quickly ubuntu-project template (imagine, hundreds “foo” projects around ;) !)

]]> By: didrocks http://shotofjaq.org/2009/12/quickly-unchaining-the-itch-scratcher/comment-page-1/#comment-721 didrocks Sat, 19 Dec 2009 11:47:26 +0000 http://shotofjaq.org/?p=207#comment-721 <p>Exactly, Quickly is entirely distribution, langages and plateform agnostic. Core just though templates command conditionned by the context. But template commands are just executable files and can be anything (even LaTeX files!).</p> <p>So, people wanting other stuff than ubuntu-project template, just give it a hand. I'm eager to merge others templates ;)</p> <p>More info on http://blog.didrocks.fr/index.php/post/Build-your-application-quickly-with-Quickly%3A-part1</p> Exactly, Quickly is entirely distribution, langages and plateform agnostic. Core just though templates command conditionned by the context. But template commands are just executable files and can be anything (even LaTeX files!).

So, people wanting other stuff than ubuntu-project template, just give it a hand. I’m eager to merge others templates ;)

More info on http://blog.didrocks.fr/index.php/post/Build-your-application-quickly-with-Quickly%3A-part1

]]> By: sheepeatingtaz http://shotofjaq.org/2009/12/quickly-unchaining-the-itch-scratcher/comment-page-1/#comment-672 sheepeatingtaz Thu, 17 Dec 2009 07:17:39 +0000 http://shotofjaq.org/?p=207#comment-672 <p>I Love quickly. It has given me an insight into GUI development that I have had difficulty getting in the past. I learn best from seeing how things are done elsewhere - which is really hard when you are looking at well established projects that have their idiosyncrasies well entrenched. I like the fact that projects being done through quickly each follow the same pattern - at least in the early stages - and it's easy to find them on launchpad to learn and get involved in other projects too!</p> I Love quickly. It has given me an insight into GUI development that I have had difficulty getting in the past. I learn best from seeing how things are done elsewhere – which is really hard when you are looking at well established projects that have their idiosyncrasies well entrenched. I like the fact that projects being done through quickly each follow the same pattern – at least in the early stages – and it’s easy to find them on launchpad to learn and get involved in other projects too!

]]> By: gmb http://shotofjaq.org/2009/12/quickly-unchaining-the-itch-scratcher/comment-page-1/#comment-656 gmb Wed, 16 Dec 2009 20:16:30 +0000 http://shotofjaq.org/?p=207#comment-656 <p>@rickspencer</p> <p>Cool. I confess, I have little knowledge of the world outside Launchpad (that's what you get for having your head in its guts every day) but I'd be interested to have a play with that. I'll try to take a look in the new year if someone hasn't already.</p> @rickspencer

Cool. I confess, I have little knowledge of the world outside Launchpad (that’s what you get for having your head in its guts every day) but I’d be interested to have a play with that. I’ll try to take a look in the new year if someone hasn’t already.

]]> By: gmb http://shotofjaq.org/2009/12/quickly-unchaining-the-itch-scratcher/comment-page-1/#comment-655 gmb Wed, 16 Dec 2009 20:15:01 +0000 http://shotofjaq.org/?p=207#comment-655 <p>It's designed for Python but again, AIUI, using templates you could make it use any language you wanted; I don't see why it couldn't generate the basic stuff for an app using C, for example, or Vala.</p> It’s designed for Python but again, AIUI, using templates you could make it use any language you wanted; I don’t see why it couldn’t generate the basic stuff for an app using C, for example, or Vala.

]]> By: gmb http://shotofjaq.org/2009/12/quickly-unchaining-the-itch-scratcher/comment-page-1/#comment-654 gmb Wed, 16 Dec 2009 20:13:55 +0000 http://shotofjaq.org/?p=207#comment-654 <p>@deadrabbit</p> <p>No, quickly's not strictly tied to Ubuntu. It's just that at the moment the default template is for an Ubuntu app because the Quickly developers work primarily in Ubuntu-land. It certainly wouldn't be hard to add other templates (Debian, Fedora, etc.) AIUI. I think this is discussed downthread somewhere.</p> @deadrabbit

No, quickly’s not strictly tied to Ubuntu. It’s just that at the moment the default template is for an Ubuntu app because the Quickly developers work primarily in Ubuntu-land. It certainly wouldn’t be hard to add other templates (Debian, Fedora, etc.) AIUI. I think this is discussed downthread somewhere.

]]> By: Tony Whitmore http://shotofjaq.org/2009/12/quickly-unchaining-the-itch-scratcher/comment-page-1/#comment-651 Tony Whitmore Wed, 16 Dec 2009 20:05:56 +0000 http://shotofjaq.org/?p=207#comment-651 <p>Hmm, lolcopter could be useful. It might even be as epic as raccoonshow.</p> Hmm, lolcopter could be useful. It might even be as epic as raccoonshow.

]]> By: Javier http://shotofjaq.org/2009/12/quickly-unchaining-the-itch-scratcher/comment-page-1/#comment-629 Javier Wed, 16 Dec 2009 09:26:54 +0000 http://shotofjaq.org/?p=207#comment-629 <p>This is the best Shot! Passionate, informative and entertaining. Great work.</p> This is the best Shot! Passionate, informative and entertaining. Great work.

]]> By: Derek http://shotofjaq.org/2009/12/quickly-unchaining-the-itch-scratcher/comment-page-1/#comment-599 Derek Tue, 15 Dec 2009 23:01:45 +0000 http://shotofjaq.org/?p=207#comment-599 <p>I know python to a workable level but know bugger all about Glade/GTK packaging for debs, installing programs into the Desktop's menuing system, etc, and I get the impression that's what Quickly gives you. Because of that, I think it will <em>let</em> you concentrate on learning Python rather than spending your time figuring out all those other things.</p> <p>I think it'd be a good framework to learn Python within, especially as it makes UI stuff easier, so you get visual rewards as you learn (as opposed to CLI stuff which isn't quite as pretty).</p> <p>Just my two cents.</p> I know python to a workable level but know bugger all about Glade/GTK packaging for debs, installing programs into the Desktop’s menuing system, etc, and I get the impression that’s what Quickly gives you. Because of that, I think it will let you concentrate on learning Python rather than spending your time figuring out all those other things.

I think it’d be a good framework to learn Python within, especially as it makes UI stuff easier, so you get visual rewards as you learn (as opposed to CLI stuff which isn’t quite as pretty).

Just my two cents.

]]> By: Gareins http://shotofjaq.org/2009/12/quickly-unchaining-the-itch-scratcher/comment-page-1/#comment-574 Gareins Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:53:44 +0000 http://shotofjaq.org/?p=207#comment-574 <p>What about Quicli for CLI apps? But you will probably make cli option in quickly as it is. Just an idea... :)</p> What about Quicli for CLI apps? But you will probably make cli option in quickly as it is. Just an idea… :)

]]> By: merelyjim http://shotofjaq.org/2009/12/quickly-unchaining-the-itch-scratcher/comment-page-1/#comment-573 merelyjim Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:48:00 +0000 http://shotofjaq.org/?p=207#comment-573 <p>I'm just learning Python now, with very little experience in other programming languages. Am I missing out by not knowing how to make this all happen the hard way?</p> I’m just learning Python now, with very little experience in other programming languages. Am I missing out by not knowing how to make this all happen the hard way?

]]> By: Derek http://shotofjaq.org/2009/12/quickly-unchaining-the-itch-scratcher/comment-page-1/#comment-540 Derek Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:32:17 +0000 http://shotofjaq.org/?p=207#comment-540 <p>I had a look at this earlier on my Karmic box at work (still haven't figured out how to put it on 9.04) and I was really impressed. The Glade editor looks pretty damn cool for building a GUI easily. I'll have to look into the templates next.</p> I had a look at this earlier on my Karmic box at work (still haven’t figured out how to put it on 9.04) and I was really impressed. The Glade editor looks pretty damn cool for building a GUI easily. I’ll have to look into the templates next.

]]> By: Mykal http://shotofjaq.org/2009/12/quickly-unchaining-the-itch-scratcher/comment-page-1/#comment-537 Mykal Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:11:49 +0000 http://shotofjaq.org/?p=207#comment-537 <p>Quickly sounds awesome and I'm really looking forward to making some apps with it. I'm sort of an opportunistic programmer and a researcher of languages but I have yet to make anything substantial. One thing that I think Quickly needs to help boost excitement and get people motivated is better documentation and more screencasts. Is there any plans for a dedicated website for Quickly - not just the Ubuntu Wiki or LP? I'd be happy to help with documentation as it would help me learn too.</p> <p>Keep up the great job, Rick (and Devs). Quickly is quickly becoming the next big thing.</p> <p>Also, I LOVE "Shot of Jaq"! Jono and Aq, you are an inspiration to us all. Keep the shots coming.</p> Quickly sounds awesome and I’m really looking forward to making some apps with it. I’m sort of an opportunistic programmer and a researcher of languages but I have yet to make anything substantial. One thing that I think Quickly needs to help boost excitement and get people motivated is better documentation and more screencasts. Is there any plans for a dedicated website for Quickly – not just the Ubuntu Wiki or LP? I’d be happy to help with documentation as it would help me learn too.

Keep up the great job, Rick (and Devs). Quickly is quickly becoming the next big thing.

Also, I LOVE “Shot of Jaq”! Jono and Aq, you are an inspiration to us all. Keep the shots coming.

]]> By: marxjohnson http://shotofjaq.org/2009/12/quickly-unchaining-the-itch-scratcher/comment-page-1/#comment-531 marxjohnson Mon, 14 Dec 2009 22:58:14 +0000 http://shotofjaq.org/?p=207#comment-531 <p>I'm already stuck in spencer, thanks!</p> I’m already stuck in spencer, thanks!

]]> By: SpandexBob http://shotofjaq.org/2009/12/quickly-unchaining-the-itch-scratcher/comment-page-1/#comment-528 SpandexBob Mon, 14 Dec 2009 13:19:00 +0000 http://shotofjaq.org/?p=207#comment-528 <p>Well now I'd never heard of Quickly. Sounds very promising. There is nothing more tedious than trying to do packaging. Thanks for introducing me to it.</p> Well now I’d never heard of Quickly. Sounds very promising. There is nothing more tedious than trying to do packaging. Thanks for introducing me to it.

]]> By: Stuart http://shotofjaq.org/2009/12/quickly-unchaining-the-itch-scratcher/comment-page-1/#comment-527 Stuart Mon, 14 Dec 2009 13:13:30 +0000 http://shotofjaq.org/?p=207#comment-527 <p>I saw the video demo of quickly at the ubuntu conference. The point that a couple of other posters have made is that it is all template based, so other behaviors can be plugged in to the framework. As I understand they are working on a pygame template as the next alternative.</p> I saw the video demo of quickly at the ubuntu conference. The point that a couple of other posters have made is that it is all template based, so other behaviors can be plugged in to the framework. As I understand they are working on a pygame template as the next alternative.

]]> By: marxjohnson http://shotofjaq.org/2009/12/quickly-unchaining-the-itch-scratcher/comment-page-1/#comment-526 marxjohnson Mon, 14 Dec 2009 12:24:35 +0000 http://shotofjaq.org/?p=207#comment-526 <p>On a side note, that picture of the guy with the back scratcher isn't Ade, is it?</p> On a side note, that picture of the guy with the back scratcher isn’t Ade, is it?

]]> By: deadrabbit http://shotofjaq.org/2009/12/quickly-unchaining-the-itch-scratcher/comment-page-1/#comment-523 deadrabbit Mon, 14 Dec 2009 03:17:06 +0000 http://shotofjaq.org/?p=207#comment-523 <p>I this is getting off topic, but I was also annoyed to hear about Ubuntu One on FLOSS Weekly. Really, the client is such a small part of it, I think calling it open source is really a stretch. Is gmail open source, since you can access it with Thunderbird?</p> <p>quickly does sound really cool, but it is strictly tied to Ubuntu right? All the decisions that are made for you seems to include the distro as well</p> I this is getting off topic, but I was also annoyed to hear about Ubuntu One on FLOSS Weekly. Really, the client is such a small part of it, I think calling it open source is really a stretch. Is gmail open source, since you can access it with Thunderbird?

quickly does sound really cool, but it is strictly tied to Ubuntu right? All the decisions that are made for you seems to include the distro as well

]]> By: Scott Lavender http://shotofjaq.org/2009/12/quickly-unchaining-the-itch-scratcher/comment-page-1/#comment-520 Scott Lavender Sun, 13 Dec 2009 18:19:20 +0000 http://shotofjaq.org/?p=207#comment-520 <p>In some ways this all quite a bit disappointing.</p> <p>I just got the GNU Make book and was looking forward to really understanding all the gobbledygook and now Quickly has gone and taken it all away.</p> In some ways this all quite a bit disappointing.

I just got the GNU Make book and was looking forward to really understanding all the gobbledygook and now Quickly has gone and taken it all away.

]]> By: sil http://shotofjaq.org/2009/12/quickly-unchaining-the-itch-scratcher/comment-page-1/#comment-517 sil Sun, 13 Dec 2009 08:25:07 +0000 http://shotofjaq.org/?p=207#comment-517 <p>The server side of Ubuntu One file sync is closed-source, yes. Server-side of the structured data service (contacts, notes, etc) is CouchDB (http://couchdb.apache.org/) with the SSL and OAUth work that we worked with the CouchDB team on and which is now upstream.</p> The server side of Ubuntu One file sync is closed-source, yes. Server-side of the structured data service (contacts, notes, etc) is CouchDB (http://couchdb.apache.org/) with the SSL and OAUth work that we worked with the CouchDB team on and which is now upstream.

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