Comments on: The War Of The Editors http://shotofjaq.org/2010/04/the-war-of-the-editors/ Ten minutes of short, sharp, informed, and funny comment about the open source world Tue, 14 Sep 2010 21:58:10 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: mduffor http://shotofjaq.org/2010/04/the-war-of-the-editors/comment-page-1/#comment-3367 mduffor Mon, 26 Apr 2010 19:06:50 +0000 http://shotofjaq.org/?p=478#comment-3367 <p>Too bad this was an April Fools episode, and not a real discussion. To me, both emacs and vi seem like something that reached a certain tech level 15 years ago, at which point the developers gave up. I find all the text editors I've tried on Linux (vi, emacs, vim, kate, anjuta, pico, nano, joe, gedit, nedit, and many others) to be truly lacking either in ease-of-use or functionality. I wouldn't be as worried about it if these were still under active development, but work on most of these editors stopped Years ago.</p> <p>I use vim for light editing of files, since it is installed everywhere. But it is painful to use. Up until recently I ran the Win32 editor Boxer under Wine to get something approaching a good programmer's editor. With my new netbook I've decided to try and use native Linux editors again, and the experience is driving me mad to the point where I actually consider, "I wonder how long it would take for me to write my own editor since the native Linux ones are so horrible to use."</p> <p>The choice of editor may not make a difference in the code you produce, but they do greatly affect how pleasurable coding is, and how effectively you can work. And the current selection of editors under Linux are all simply pants.</p> Too bad this was an April Fools episode, and not a real discussion. To me, both emacs and vi seem like something that reached a certain tech level 15 years ago, at which point the developers gave up. I find all the text editors I’ve tried on Linux (vi, emacs, vim, kate, anjuta, pico, nano, joe, gedit, nedit, and many others) to be truly lacking either in ease-of-use or functionality. I wouldn’t be as worried about it if these were still under active development, but work on most of these editors stopped Years ago.

I use vim for light editing of files, since it is installed everywhere. But it is painful to use. Up until recently I ran the Win32 editor Boxer under Wine to get something approaching a good programmer’s editor. With my new netbook I’ve decided to try and use native Linux editors again, and the experience is driving me mad to the point where I actually consider, “I wonder how long it would take for me to write my own editor since the native Linux ones are so horrible to use.”

The choice of editor may not make a difference in the code you produce, but they do greatly affect how pleasurable coding is, and how effectively you can work. And the current selection of editors under Linux are all simply pants.

]]> By: j0nr http://shotofjaq.org/2010/04/the-war-of-the-editors/comment-page-1/#comment-3342 j0nr Fri, 23 Apr 2010 21:15:53 +0000 http://shotofjaq.org/?p=478#comment-3342 <p>Well I enjoyed it.</p> Well I enjoyed it.

]]> By: Don http://shotofjaq.org/2010/04/the-war-of-the-editors/comment-page-1/#comment-3233 Don Sun, 18 Apr 2010 23:36:28 +0000 http://shotofjaq.org/?p=478#comment-3233 <p>Gedit all the way.</p> Gedit all the way.

]]> By: sime http://shotofjaq.org/2010/04/the-war-of-the-editors/comment-page-1/#comment-3194 sime Fri, 16 Apr 2010 05:42:21 +0000 http://shotofjaq.org/?p=478#comment-3194 <p>I don't care what you use, as long as you can keep up.</p> <p>Though I have never read it, but a number of people have quoted the Pragmatic Programmer: know one editor and know it well.</p> <p>That is all (just be quick in your chosen editor).</p> I don’t care what you use, as long as you can keep up.

Though I have never read it, but a number of people have quoted the Pragmatic Programmer: know one editor and know it well.

That is all (just be quick in your chosen editor).

]]> By: suddenmoves http://shotofjaq.org/2010/04/the-war-of-the-editors/comment-page-1/#comment-3175 suddenmoves Wed, 14 Apr 2010 17:48:08 +0000 http://shotofjaq.org/?p=478#comment-3175 <p>No, it doesn't matter.</p> <p>I'll use whatever is available at the time, I have a small preference for nano or emacs over vi/vim but that's because they seem a little more sane to use to me.</p> No, it doesn’t matter.

I’ll use whatever is available at the time, I have a small preference for nano or emacs over vi/vim but that’s because they seem a little more sane to use to me.

]]> By: Martin http://shotofjaq.org/2010/04/the-war-of-the-editors/comment-page-1/#comment-3135 Martin Tue, 13 Apr 2010 18:12:50 +0000 http://shotofjaq.org/?p=478#comment-3135 <p>Vi? Emacs? Hardcore geeks edit each bit individually on the hard drive using tiny magnets.</p> Vi? Emacs? Hardcore geeks edit each bit individually on the hard drive using tiny magnets.

]]> By: DaveySpeedstar http://shotofjaq.org/2010/04/the-war-of-the-editors/comment-page-1/#comment-3081 DaveySpeedstar Fri, 09 Apr 2010 12:26:14 +0000 http://shotofjaq.org/?p=478#comment-3081 <p>Yes</p> Yes

]]> By: thelovebug http://shotofjaq.org/2010/04/the-war-of-the-editors/comment-page-1/#comment-3065 thelovebug Thu, 08 Apr 2010 15:43:12 +0000 http://shotofjaq.org/?p=478#comment-3065 <p>That's a good question.</p> <p>If you're referring to nano as the actual command, then no... as 'Nano' would not execute nano.</p> <p>As nano is the official spelling of the product, as suggested here: http://www.nano-editor.org/ then again I would say no.</p> That’s a good question.

If you’re referring to nano as the actual command, then no… as ‘Nano’ would not execute nano.

As nano is the official spelling of the product, as suggested here: http://www.nano-editor.org/ then again I would say no.

]]> By: ibboT http://shotofjaq.org/2010/04/the-war-of-the-editors/comment-page-1/#comment-3050 ibboT Wed, 07 Apr 2010 08:41:06 +0000 http://shotofjaq.org/?p=478#comment-3050 <p>I think the point is that it really doesn't matter if you use emacs or vim. The thing that does matter is the difference between writing code in a notepad like editor and something more full-featured.</p> I think the point is that it really doesn’t matter if you use emacs or vim. The thing that does matter is the difference between writing code in a notepad like editor and something more full-featured.

]]> By: ibboT http://shotofjaq.org/2010/04/the-war-of-the-editors/comment-page-1/#comment-3049 ibboT Wed, 07 Apr 2010 08:35:29 +0000 http://shotofjaq.org/?p=478#comment-3049 <p>Learn the basics from vimtutor then just keep using it. The more you use it the more you will learn, you will never learn all the features but that's not the point. The point is to work out when you are doing something repetitive and then learn how to do that more efficiently. I've been using Vim for 5 years and learn new useful tricks all the time (e.g. in normal mode "dib" <em>d</em>eletes <em>i</em>nside <em>b</em>rackets, I didn't even have to look that one up I just guessed it one day and it worked, made me smile).</p> Learn the basics from vimtutor then just keep using it. The more you use it the more you will learn, you will never learn all the features but that’s not the point. The point is to work out when you are doing something repetitive and then learn how to do that more efficiently. I’ve been using Vim for 5 years and learn new useful tricks all the time (e.g. in normal mode “dib” deletes inside brackets, I didn’t even have to look that one up I just guessed it one day and it worked, made me smile).

]]> By: DeeJay1 http://shotofjaq.org/2010/04/the-war-of-the-editors/comment-page-1/#comment-3044 DeeJay1 Wed, 07 Apr 2010 07:19:56 +0000 http://shotofjaq.org/?p=478#comment-3044 <p>Well… No.</p> Well… No.

]]> By: rickabillie http://shotofjaq.org/2010/04/the-war-of-the-editors/comment-page-1/#comment-3028 rickabillie Tue, 06 Apr 2010 17:43:22 +0000 http://shotofjaq.org/?p=478#comment-3028 <p>So, I set this up to play on my android Listen app before I got on the highway. After I stopped laughing I glanced down to see how much more I had to listen to, I saw that the whole episode was ten minutes and change, I figured that I could take it and didn't need to pull over to set up the next one. I hit the forward button...after what seemed like too long, I looked down to see that, yes I was right, it is ten minutes but the display showed that it was currently at 16:53 and counting, out of ten minutes, I laughed again, I felt like I was stuck in some sort of weird torture loop!</p> So, I set this up to play on my android Listen app before I got on the highway. After I stopped laughing I glanced down to see how much more I had to listen to, I saw that the whole episode was ten minutes and change, I figured that I could take it and didn’t need to pull over to set up the next one. I hit the forward button…after what seemed like too long, I looked down to see that, yes I was right, it is ten minutes but the display showed that it was currently at 16:53 and counting, out of ten minutes, I laughed again, I felt like I was stuck in some sort of weird torture loop!

]]> By: hillsy http://shotofjaq.org/2010/04/the-war-of-the-editors/comment-page-1/#comment-3025 hillsy Tue, 06 Apr 2010 17:03:11 +0000 http://shotofjaq.org/?p=478#comment-3025 <p>Nano is great. Why use more editor than you need?</p> <p>(Meta-question: should one capitalise a lowercase name like "nano" if it appears at the start of a sentence?)</p> Nano is great. Why use more editor than you need?

(Meta-question: should one capitalise a lowercase name like “nano” if it appears at the start of a sentence?)

]]> By: thelovebug http://shotofjaq.org/2010/04/the-war-of-the-editors/comment-page-1/#comment-3010 thelovebug Tue, 06 Apr 2010 08:37:28 +0000 http://shotofjaq.org/?p=478#comment-3010 <p>Shot of Genius... love this one!</p> <p>Oh, and I use nano on the command line or GEdit within Gnome.</p> <p>... and I'm fully prepared to be laughed out of town for nano.</p> Shot of Genius… love this one!

Oh, and I use nano on the command line or GEdit within Gnome.

… and I’m fully prepared to be laughed out of town for nano.

]]> By: Tobi http://shotofjaq.org/2010/04/the-war-of-the-editors/comment-page-1/#comment-3008 Tobi Mon, 05 Apr 2010 10:38:48 +0000 http://shotofjaq.org/?p=478#comment-3008 <p>Not that either - guess I'm just annoyed of all the discussions that hype Apple to the extreme (like all the normally tech-uninterested media dedicating whole pages to how incredibly cool this "iSlate" will be before anyone knew anything about it).</p> <p>I like Macbooks and have to admit that iPhones are quite cool, but we should stop pretending that Apple invented all that stuff.</p> <p>And I should stop derailing these threats... In any case: great show, keep it going!</p> Not that either – guess I’m just annoyed of all the discussions that hype Apple to the extreme (like all the normally tech-uninterested media dedicating whole pages to how incredibly cool this “iSlate” will be before anyone knew anything about it).

I like Macbooks and have to admit that iPhones are quite cool, but we should stop pretending that Apple invented all that stuff.

And I should stop derailing these threats… In any case: great show, keep it going!

]]> By: adam http://shotofjaq.org/2010/04/the-war-of-the-editors/comment-page-1/#comment-3006 adam Mon, 05 Apr 2010 03:03:10 +0000 http://shotofjaq.org/?p=478#comment-3006 <p>While I know this was an april fools joke cast, I kind of wished this was a real cast. I, for one, am a Vim user till death, though I have nothing against emacs, it just makes more sense to me. For simple text editing I use the gui version, while in an ssh session, just Vim, when I am working on a normal software project, I use Netbeans with the jVi (nbvi) plugin that perfectly mirrors Vim. I even go so far as to change the shells command line editing to vi key bindings instead of emacs (the default). The only down side of this is when I am on a machine that does not have this, I am totally lost for about 5 - 10 minutes until I adjust to not having my normal navigation and editing. I even have a plugin for firefox called Vimperator from vimperator.org. That is how much of a Vim user I am. I spend my life in front of a keyboard and most of the time editing code, so, this is an important topic and should become a REAL podcast.</p> While I know this was an april fools joke cast, I kind of wished this was a real cast. I, for one, am a Vim user till death, though I have nothing against emacs, it just makes more sense to me. For simple text editing I use the gui version, while in an ssh session, just Vim, when I am working on a normal software project, I use Netbeans with the jVi (nbvi) plugin that perfectly mirrors Vim. I even go so far as to change the shells command line editing to vi key bindings instead of emacs (the default). The only down side of this is when I am on a machine that does not have this, I am totally lost for about 5 – 10 minutes until I adjust to not having my normal navigation and editing. I even have a plugin for firefox called Vimperator from vimperator.org. That is how much of a Vim user I am. I spend my life in front of a keyboard and most of the time editing code, so, this is an important topic and should become a REAL podcast.

]]> By: privatehuff http://shotofjaq.org/2010/04/the-war-of-the-editors/comment-page-1/#comment-2868 privatehuff Sat, 03 Apr 2010 18:58:15 +0000 http://shotofjaq.org/?p=478#comment-2868 <p>I recently starting looking into Vim, and was really hoping this would be a fair comparison that would help me :(</p> <p>I've only used emacs in the past and, although it gave me large testicles, it isn't truly cross platform and requires a lot of configuration for the multi-mode web development I would be using it for.</p> <p>Vim seems to work properly out of the box with 2 minutes of the configuration, but I now need to learn what the buttons do...</p> I recently starting looking into Vim, and was really hoping this would be a fair comparison that would help me :(

I’ve only used emacs in the past and, although it gave me large testicles, it isn’t truly cross platform and requires a lot of configuration for the multi-mode web development I would be using it for.

Vim seems to work properly out of the box with 2 minutes of the configuration, but I now need to learn what the buttons do…

]]> By: Brews http://shotofjaq.org/2010/04/the-war-of-the-editors/comment-page-1/#comment-2862 Brews Sat, 03 Apr 2010 04:51:56 +0000 http://shotofjaq.org/?p=478#comment-2862 <p>I crawled out of bed and turned on my computer to type this. If this "no" (+ "Yes, use gedit") goes on for a whole 10 minutes... then: -fuck- you. ....That is all. Goodnight.</p> I crawled out of bed and turned on my computer to type this. If this “no” (+ “Yes, use gedit”) goes on for a whole 10 minutes… then: -fuck- you. ….That is all. Goodnight.

]]> By: sil http://shotofjaq.org/2010/04/the-war-of-the-editors/comment-page-1/#comment-2860 sil Sat, 03 Apr 2010 00:44:04 +0000 http://shotofjaq.org/?p=478#comment-2860 <p>So...you're broadly of the opinion that any discussion of Apple at all which contains anything positive is a bad thing?</p> So…you’re broadly of the opinion that any discussion of Apple at all which contains anything positive is a bad thing?

]]> By: Tobi http://shotofjaq.org/2010/04/the-war-of-the-editors/comment-page-1/#comment-2815 Tobi Fri, 02 Apr 2010 20:23:57 +0000 http://shotofjaq.org/?p=478#comment-2815 <p>You are not directly saying how amazing Apple is - but discussing something hypothetical in over 10 minutes shows an amount of interest into a company that is hyped enough by its own fans (and mainstream media) already. All I know is that if they will develop a games console everyone will jump on it and all media will pretend that this iPlaywithmyself thing is the first game console ever.</p> <p>Maybe I am a bit too harsh - of course you can discuss whatever you like and I will still end up listening to it. It just doesn't interest me at all what Steve J. thinks of in Cupertino.</p> <p>Besides that: I agree with you and couldn't care less what editor people use!</p> You are not directly saying how amazing Apple is – but discussing something hypothetical in over 10 minutes shows an amount of interest into a company that is hyped enough by its own fans (and mainstream media) already. All I know is that if they will develop a games console everyone will jump on it and all media will pretend that this iPlaywithmyself thing is the first game console ever.

Maybe I am a bit too harsh – of course you can discuss whatever you like and I will still end up listening to it. It just doesn’t interest me at all what Steve J. thinks of in Cupertino.

Besides that: I agree with you and couldn’t care less what editor people use!

]]> By: funcrunch http://shotofjaq.org/2010/04/the-war-of-the-editors/comment-page-1/#comment-2783 funcrunch Fri, 02 Apr 2010 18:38:39 +0000 http://shotofjaq.org/?p=478#comment-2783 <p>I listened to about two minutes before jumping to the end. Nice April Fool's guys :-)</p> <p>I started learning emacs a long time ago, but switched to vi when I took a Linux sysadmin class and the instructor assumed and insisted that we all use it. I only use vi for very quick and simple edits now though; I prefer BBEdit on my Mac for anything significant. I'm not a professional geek anymore so I don't really have to care. :-)</p> I listened to about two minutes before jumping to the end. Nice April Fool’s guys :-)

I started learning emacs a long time ago, but switched to vi when I took a Linux sysadmin class and the instructor assumed and insisted that we all use it. I only use vi for very quick and simple edits now though; I prefer BBEdit on my Mac for anything significant. I’m not a professional geek anymore so I don’t really have to care. :-)

]]> By: jono http://shotofjaq.org/2010/04/the-war-of-the-editors/comment-page-1/#comment-2776 jono Fri, 02 Apr 2010 18:06:26 +0000 http://shotofjaq.org/?p=478#comment-2776 <p>How were we saying how amazing Apple is? We were just discussing whether they will bring out a console.</p> <p>Also, I am not afraid to say that they <em>are</em> amazing at some things. Just because they are non-free doesn't mean that they have an ability to release beautifully designed products that their customers love. Apple Free Software Ethics = shit, Apple Product Design Skills - incredible.</p> How were we saying how amazing Apple is? We were just discussing whether they will bring out a console.

Also, I am not afraid to say that they are amazing at some things. Just because they are non-free doesn’t mean that they have an ability to release beautifully designed products that their customers love. Apple Free Software Ethics = shit, Apple Product Design Skills – incredible.

]]> By: wjg http://shotofjaq.org/2010/04/the-war-of-the-editors/comment-page-1/#comment-2693 wjg Fri, 02 Apr 2010 13:50:08 +0000 http://shotofjaq.org/?p=478#comment-2693 <p>I'm not saying that no-one's using these editors. I'm saying that I'm not using it. I used Emacs for a long time so I've been there, used it, loved it at the time and left it for something else. In favour of Emacs though, there are some specialist things that it does that I miss but not so much that I (personally) would seriously think of using it again.</p> I’m not saying that no-one’s using these editors. I’m saying that I’m not using it. I used Emacs for a long time so I’ve been there, used it, loved it at the time and left it for something else. In favour of Emacs though, there are some specialist things that it does that I miss but not so much that I (personally) would seriously think of using it again.

]]> By: Mumbles http://shotofjaq.org/2010/04/the-war-of-the-editors/comment-page-1/#comment-2692 Mumbles Fri, 02 Apr 2010 13:42:01 +0000 http://shotofjaq.org/?p=478#comment-2692 <p>Thank god for the search slider.Saved myself 8 or 9 minutes of Johnonono and a Shit off Joke.</p> Thank god for the search slider.Saved myself 8 or 9 minutes of Johnonono and a Shit off Joke.

]]> By: Flamekebab http://shotofjaq.org/2010/04/the-war-of-the-editors/comment-page-1/#comment-2691 Flamekebab Fri, 02 Apr 2010 13:31:28 +0000 http://shotofjaq.org/?p=478#comment-2691 <p>Wow, the comments are particularly negative for this shot. Apparently some people either don't have a sense of humour or are simply power-nerds unable to let go for April Fool's Day.</p> Wow, the comments are particularly negative for this shot. Apparently some people either don’t have a sense of humour or are simply power-nerds unable to let go for April Fool’s Day.

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